In this episode, I am speaking with Josh Trent – the founder of Wellness Force Media, and creator of BREATHE: The Breath And Wellness Program. We will talk about the amazing benefits of breathwork for optimizing health and energy.
Table of Contents
In this podcast, Josh and I discuss:
- How can breathing exercises help us on our unique journey to physical and mental health?
- Can breathing work heal past trauma?
- Do Patrick McKeown and Wim Hof’s breathing methods contradict each other?
- The pros and cons of using plant medicine – and why breathwork should come first
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Ari Whitten: Hey there, this is Ari. Welcome back to The Energy Blueprint Podcast. I am very excited for today’s guest, this is somebody whose work I’ve been following a lot for the last year and he’s become a great voice for natural health and has a lot of novel insights into this topic, and especially in this craziness of the COVID era. I’ve really appreciated a lot of the insights and the perspective that he’s been sharing over the last year. His official bio, he’s the founder of Wellness Force Media, the host of the Wellness Force Podcast, and the creator of the BREATHE: The Breath & Wellness Program.
Josh has spent the past 18 years as a trainer, researcher, and facilitator discovering the physical and emotional intelligence for humans to thrive in our modern world. The Wellness Force mission is to help humans heal mental, emotional, and physical health through podcasts, programs, and a global community that believes in optimizing our potential to live life well. His life is dedicated to supporting humanity coming together as one. If I didn’t mention his name at the beginning of this, it’s Josh Trent. Josh, welcome to the show. It’s such a pleasure to finally connect with you, not via Facebook likes and commenting on each other’s posts-
Josh Trent: That’s right.
Ari: -but via an actual live meeting.
Josh: Yes, Ari. Thank you for having me, man. I respect the work that you’ve created in this world and this incredible community, that’s like, “Hey, how do I be the energy that the world deserves?” I really love your messaging. I love what you’ve created, so super honored to share space with you. What I believe will come from this is gems that people can actually feel and then eventually do, and then become the greatest self, man, so thanks.
Ari: Yes, absolutely, man, that feeling is very mutual. Let’s talk about Breathwork. This is a fascinating subject. It’s something that has been a passion of mine over the years as well, but I think you’ve delved into it even deeper than I have. Why don’t you give us the broad overview of how you got into Breathwork and what you feel the biggest benefits of Breathwork practice is?
Josh: Oh, the breath saved my life. I’m not going to sugarcoat it. I was raised by a bipolar mom and my dad left home super early, so whatever my soul contract is, I came here on planet earth to receive some pretty unique contrast as most of us do. Along the way, I developed this really poor relationship with food, which is a drug that people self-prescribe.
No surprise, without the right psychological tools, Ari, and without the right physical tools, I’m 280 pounds at 21 years old. I just really hated myself and I didn’t even know what self-love was, the concept was so out in the stratosphere that I couldn’t have even found that on a map if you pointed it to me. I got to this point where I was hating my body so much, I was in a relationship that I hated, I was in a job that I hated. I was actually a Mercedes-Benz technician. I was a luxury auto technician in my early 20s.
I got to this point and I think we all can relate to this where I just knew that I didn’t want to be here anymore. I’m not talking about thoughts of suicide, but I’m talking about “God, give me strength. Spirit, give me strength.” Someone show me the way, and the moment came when I was drinking a beer at a party and I was 21 years old coming on 22, I looked down at my gut, my belly was hanging over and I just slammed the cup down and it was the first time in my life that I’d ever really had a connection to spirit, to something greater.
This ticker tape message flew across my consciousness and the ticker tape said, “There’s more to life than this. There’s just quite simply more to life than this.” I looked up at the sky with my limited awareness and I just asked God, “What do you want me to do because I don’t want to be here anymore. I can’t do this anymore.” I got this message to go home. I slammed the cup down.
I ran home drunk for like three miles showed up at the house, pulled open my HP 25-pound computer at the time. This is like 2001, and I think I typed in how do I be healthy? That led me on an 18-month journey of low carb, ketogenic high carb, anything you could imagine as far as diet application. I got to this place where I lost almost a hundred pounds, then I gained 60 back, just a real tug on the soul, just a real drain on my etheric and also my energetic body.
I got to this place where I was just so out of sorts with who I was and unconnected to myself and using honestly the wrong fuel source to find love that I just left. I said, “I’m going to go to Hawaii.” I sold everything I owned at 24, 25 years old. I got to Hawaii and I hiked and I surfed and I fished, and I just started to absorb this incredible feminine energy from a wahoo.
I started to really look at healing myself and really start even understanding how do I take control of my health, which I believe fitness is the gateway to wellness. I was in the fitness industry for 10 years. I maintain a great level of health, but there was always something missing, and what was calling me was this true integration and embodiment of loving myself, knowing how to manage my energetic systems properly, and doing it from a place of calm confidence.
It wasn’t until I found the BREATHE, I left fitness, I went to corporate America because I “wanted a safe job,” I fell into that trap. When I got fired from corporate America in 2014, 2015, it was the most liberating moment of my life. I went into many plant medicine ceremonies, and I found the BREATHE actually through Mark Divine from Unbeatable Mind and SEALFIT.
I’ll never forget this, Ari, I was laying on the floor doing the warrior breathing in 2016. I started crying and I was like, “Why am I crying? This doesn’t make any sense. Why are tears coming out of my eyes, but I don’t understand where they’re coming from?” Later, I found out that Bruce Lipton is obviously someone that you and I know of, the issues are in the tissues.
I was accessing very deep stored trauma that I had no idea was there, that led me on a next three-year journey of going to Thailand for 30 days and training with Soma Breath, and doing a week intensive with Gwen Payne in Sedona, and learning from Anahata in Sedona, and just really covering the globe. I’m also going to Costa Rica and learning from Christian Minson, and just getting as many practitioners as I could so that I could start embodying so that I could actually teach.
That’s what led me to the breath and really the breath saved my life because in the course of my life, I’ve struggled with anxiety quite a bit, and as you and I both know, anxiety is a focus on the future. The breath has a very visceral power of centering us in the present moment so that either depression or anxiety does not biologically take us for a ride. That’s the quick story of how I found the breath.
How breathwork can alleviate emotional memories
Ari: You mentioned Bruce Lipton, you mentioned the issues are in the tissues, talk to me about the physiology, biochemistry. What is going on that is actually connecting the breath and Stored trauma or emotional memories in our body.
Josh: This is what I love, and it’s such an awesome question because not many people ask that question, so that’s really, really cool. The science and the spirit of what’s going on with breathing. If you look at the Latin etymology of breath, it’s Inspiritus. It means to actually breathe life from you and within you. We are not the only ones breathing us, there is something that beats our heart, digests our food, breathes us, and so we have these autonomic processes that happened in our body, and it’s known as the autonomic nervous system.
I believe your audience has heard this many times before, but it’s a good refresher. These two branches of the autonomic, there is the parasympathetic branch, which is our rest, our digest, our love, our connection, our smoothness, and then there’s the sympathetic, which is like, “Oh shit, I’m running from a tiger.” I don’t know if I can cuss on your show. “I’m running from a tiger right now. I need to be in fight-flight or freeze.”
Actually, snf freeze is when we can talk about. What comes to happen in freeze is from a young age, we have what’s called a soul split. We all come into this world very pure, and we learn from either parental or societal example that we can’t trust ourselves and that we’re not enough, and then we’re not loved, which is the biggest illusion and fallacy that we all drink from.
We drink from this river of forgetfulness as mentioned in the logos and the religious texts. When we drink from that river of forgetfulness, we just straight up forget how awesome we are. We forget how loving we are. We forget how much energy we actually hold within ourselves, and we become laden down with all of these hooks from people in past life and all these things.
Why am I saying this? Because when you access the breath, you start tapping into the T trauma and t trauma within your energetic system, within your nervous system. The most powerful thing I can say about the breath as I lay on that first layer of the autonomic nervous system is that when you properly do breathwork and I mean facilitated box, facilitated circular breathing, catharsis breathing, and we can talk later in this conversation about the different types of breath.
Man, when you go to a place where you give yourself permission to feel what you’re feeling, and you start to use your diaphragm, your vagus nerve, your enteric nervous system, and everything that goes on when you start doing powerful cyclical breathing, all the things you forgot that happened for you, whether it’s T or t, they float to the surface. That’s why Bruce Lipton talks about the issues are in the tissues. How do you access the issues?
You have to move the energy through the tissues, and the only real way you can move energy through the tissues is somatic experiencing either through breath or movement or some type of facilitated spiritual guided process where someone that’s highly skilled, can actually move the energy for you. Most of us don’t have access to those people, so we have the breath, and we have movement. We have this afferent and efferent nervous system signals that go from our brain to all of our nerve endings, and our hands, and our body. When you start doing the breath properly, you start accessing all the trauma that has occurred, so you can finally once and for all, address it, integrate it, and then let it go.
How a breathwork session to access trauma looks like
Ari: What does it look like in the context of a breathwork session to access trauma? What does that feel like subjectively, and then, how does that translate into letting it go? Does the letting go happen as a result of the breathwork, or is it a matter of it brings it up consciously, and now you have a chance to process it cognitively or intellectually? Expand upon that and what’s going on.
Josh: It’s fantastic because if we intellectualize healing, we’ll never heal. We cannot solve a physical, spiritual connected problem by only using the mind. I fell into that trap for a long time. I would go to all the seminars, and read all the books, and listen to all the podcasts. I was stuck in what I call the gathering phase of true intelligence, and I promise I’ll answer your question, but the reason that I’m going to say this first is because all of us fall into this trap of, if I have the degree, if I have the books, if I have the training, then somehow I’m going to get the result that I want.
What everyone falls into the illusion of is that they actually have to go through three phases of the intelligence journey, much like Separation, Initiation, and Return from Joseph Campbell. We all must go through the application process after we gather, and applying means actually going and doing the breathwork and feeling what it’s like to not have your mind control what’s coming up, and feeling what it’s like to have your body give you those afferent and efferent signals so that you actually know what they are.
If you try to intellectualize, you’re stuck in that gathering phase, and then Ari, at the end of it, what we’re all really working on, is we’re all wanting to have embodiment. We gather, we apply, then we embody, and when we embody, there’s no way you can fake it. You know when you’re around somebody, and you can just sense they have peace, or they’re intelligent, or the way they carry themselves? It’s because they’ve done the work to embody their gathering and application.
What breathwork does for all of us, is it teaches us how to apply our knowledge, because knowledge without application is honestly the same thing as not knowing. You can know all these things, but if you’re not applying them, then you really don’t have any experiential learning of healing, or of transcending from the lower self. To button your question, essentially, the way that we come to terms with what’s coming up when we breathe is that we, first of all, learn the strategies and techniques of how to turn off the mind, so that we’re not stuck in our mind when our somatic experience is trying to direct us towards where the healing lives. That’s how we actually do it.
BREATHE – The Breath And Wellness Program
Ari: Got it. You created a breathwork program. It’s called BREATHE: The Breath & Wellness Program. Why? Why did you create this? You mentioned a bunch of teachers that you’ve learned from. Several of them have programs out there. What made you feel like– Was it that you had a novel take on it or you’ve put some novel pieces together? What catalyzed you and motivated you to create this program?
Josh: Well, the big one was that I wanted to find peace within myself. Just like every creator or influencer, which is an interesting name, right influencer, but just like any human who wants to teach, they can only teach from what they themselves have embodied. I gave myself the most powerful reminder until I die, and that is, “Se posso respirare, posso scegliere.” What that means in Italian is, “If I can breathe, I can choose.”
It’s tattooed on my body so that I will remember to consistently embody my own work, so that every day when I’m having a moment with my love, or I have a child on the way, I have a baby that’s coming soon. When I’m flustered, when I’m stressed, when I am essentially not to be too reductionistic, when I’m not coming from love, and I’m coming from fear, it’s a reminder to do my work.
To do my work that I share and that I teach others to do, and so that’s the, “Se posso respirare, posso scegliere.” It’s like, okay, “Can I say that to myself in a moment? Can I train myself to go to my breath as an ally.” As truly, Ari, like the only unconscious autonomic lever we can pull for our nervous system? It’s the only thing we can do. We can’t make our heartbeat faster. Although I think some monks can do that. The average person can’t. We can’t digest our food faster. We can control our breath because we can identify when we’re in that stress point, and we can choose.
Literally, if we can breathe, we can choose, and that’s my mission in the world. That’s why I created the program because I took the three and a half, almost four years to go travel and go through the tears, and go through the shaking, and have the hypoxia, and have honestly a couple of times almost throwing up from cathartic breathing sessions, and go to Thailand, and travel the world and create what I believe to be an amalgam of some of the greatest teachers in the world for no other reason than to honor them, to credit them, and to continue it on and pass the torch so that everyone can use the power of the breath. That’s honestly why I created the program.
Ari: Got you. I have so many questions buzzing through my mind now. Not sure where to go with this. Let me ask you this.
Josh: We can start with the breath.
Breathwork and plant medicine
Ari: There we go. This is a personal question, something that I experienced, and I don’t know that I’ve ever seen someone who has spoken to this. I’m curious if you might have some thoughts on it, given that you’ve explored this area so deeply. I’ve been doing guided breathwork for probably over 20 years now. I got into meditation in my teens, and I’m 37 now. I’ve experimented with all kinds of esoteric yoga, and Qigong and pranayama practices, and paramedic breath-holding practices, all kinds of things.
Early on, in my early 20’s, I did so much intentional breathing practices, where you learn belly breathing, and you study these esoteric eastern traditions, and they say, “Oh, you have to learn to breathe through your belly.” I got into this pattern where I convinced myself that I was not breathing properly, and I became hyper-conscious of this, and I would say even neurotic about it, where I felt like I needed to control my breathing all the time and make sure that I was breathing into my belly.
I would try to make almost every breath throughout the entire day, almost every waking moment, to be conscious of it, and breathe into my belly. I think in the process, I don’t know exactly what it was, but my perception became that this autonomic process of breathing that should be happening subconsciously, I put so much conscious attention on it, that it felt like it wasn’t happening well unless I put conscious attention on it. I don’t know if that even makes sense to you.
Josh: It makes perfect sense.
Ari: Basically, there was a certain neuroticism and tension that developed and hyper-awareness and attentiveness around my breathing constantly. Well, I could go on, and it was actually resolved at some point in the context of a plant medicine journey, but this went on for years before that, and I’m curious if you have any thoughts on that. If that resonates at all, or you can make sense of that?
Josh: It’s a huge question. Allow me to just organically pontificate with you for a moment and also deliver some science. You actually just spoke in human language, what I talked about of people intellectualizing their healing, because there might be some kind of anchor that was created for you in early childhood, or adolescence, or whatever it is, and that is, as long as I’m doing what is right, or what I should be doing, then I will have peace. That is creating an external locus of control, instead of an internal locus of control.
Essentially, from what I’m sharing, and I don’t know you really, I’m just getting to know you right now, which is awesome, but what it brings up for me is the awareness of the potential of what might be existing is an intellectualization of relaxation or an intellectualization of healing, and we all fall into this trap. I drew tarot cards for a long time, and I worked with mediums and all these things, and they always told me the same thing, “Josh, you’re ruled by the king of the mind.” I was like, “Duh. Why do you think I have so much anxiety.” Because I’m constantly trying to prove that the present moment is safe.
As I try to prove that the present moment is safe, I actually am disconnecting from the fact that the present moment is safe, as long as I let go. It’s actually what Hawkins talks about his work and this is a valuable resource for all of us. If we can truly embody the process of letting go, seeing things for what they really are, and breathing into the truth of the current moment, not in a woo, woo, sit around the fireplace kind of away, but realistically if we can surrender to we’re all going to die, you and I get this special moment right now to share, we’re not going to be here forever. If we can relax into that then we can stop getting in our head, get out of our head and get into our heart.
Hawkins talks about the largest space between our head and our heart is universal. We all experience either an inch or a mile between our head and our heart. It’s a byproduct of what all of our teachers that we follow whether ancient or contemporary, if you look at Lao Tzu or if you look at Alan Watts, or if you look at anyone who talks about spirituality or metaphysics they’re all essentially saying the same thing with different words and that is your training is to be at peace in the current moment without judgment of yourself.
The breath allows us to do that, but only if we have the courage to see what mechanism is trying to intellectually control us in the first place because I’ll tell you what, the ego is a subtle foe, the ego will come in, it will sabotage, it will tell you things about people that aren’t true. It will tell you you’re not safe. It will do so many things and I’m not here to demonize the ego, our work is actually to be in harmony with the ego and that’s easier said than done because again, this can’t be intellectualized. We can’t intellectualize an issue that’s caused by either our lack of love for ourselves or our lack of connection with spirit. We can’t get around it.
That’s the first part to your question is I would layer a lens on there of what happened to me and what kind of emotional intelligence or emotional inventory process can I do from the observation standpoint, way outside the subjective and go, “All right. Let me take an inventory of what were my biggest triggers in my life, let me list those out, and let me be curious about how they’re playing out in my current life. How are my deepest triggers playing out in my current life, and which one of those triggers takes away my breath completely? Which one of those triggers when I think about it or when I feel into it it makes me go [breaths], it makes me hold my breath.”
That’s a great starting point for all of us and the courage to walk that path is honestly not for everyone because when you go into the cave, and you know this from plant medicine, you are going to find things that scare the crap out of you. They are going to bring you to your knees in so many ways and that is where real warriors are built.
Not from just doing plant medicine, I have my own thoughts on plant medicine which is a unique conversation, but the long answer to your short question of why do I do that is it stems from how we were raised, it stems from how we integrated or did not integrate the T, t trauma. Stems to how our biology operates in the current moment based on all the imprinting that we had done for us in the past.
Ari: Very very interesting. I’d be interested to go into the plant medicine discussion and I’ll mention actually how this issue of breathing translated to an experience. I was going to label it a problem, but I’ll label it an experience with my first plant medicine journey which was extraordinarily intense. It was what’s considered to be the most powerful or intense of the psychedelics, which is 5-MeO-DMT. That was my very first journey. I don’t recommend that anybody do that as their first journey.
Josh: I don’t either.
Ari: I recommend something much gentler as the first one. The experience of that actually, and I’m quite certain that it’s connected to that hyper attentiveness that I had around my breathing. When I did that 5-MeO experience, what happened was a process of literally the experience of feeling my body go paralyzed and feeling my diaphragm go paralyze and feeling like I could not breathe. Not hallucinating this, I was perfectly lucid and I was aware of everything going on.
I was having the experience of feeling my diaphragm was becoming paralyzed, my breath was getting shorter and shorter and shorter, and as much as I was trying to generate that attentiveness to my breath to breathe properly, I couldn’t. I was literally calling over the facilitator, the shaman of this journey to tell him to call an ambulance because I could see the people next to me were moving and they could breathe and they could talk and they were making noise and I was sitting there becoming paralyzed and losing the ability to breathe. I thought I was having actually some kind of allergic reaction to it.
I was telling the guy to call an ambulance because I’m literally about to suffocate to death. To make a long story short, basically, I had the very very terrifying experience of literally watching myself suffocate to death and having to process the fact that I was suffocating and I was dying at that moment. Then after accepting that I was dying in that process, I was transported to a really beautiful incredible ecstatic experience that was extraordinary revelatory and probably one of the most intense and profound experiences of my life that had enormous benefits but it was also prior to that, the most terrifying experience I’ve had in my life.
Josh: They usually are.
Ari: I still have this feeling all that intentional breathwork I did, that hyper attentiveness that neuroticism played some role in contributing to that experience. I bring this up just in case you have any commentary on it.
Josh: I love it. Thank you for being so courageous and sharing all this. I can sense, and I’m not a psychic, I’m what I call a practical Whoo. I understand that there’s an etheric realm in a foreign 5D. I don’t spend a lot of time there. The only times I go there is to gain knowledge and bring it back here. I don’t like to play in those realms like a lot of my colleagues. I’m not going to name anyone in person, but I’ve watched myself have judgment for people that go from ceremony to ceremony to ceremony and don’t ever pause to breathe and integrate.
If you look at any of the great masters, whether it’s Terence McKenna or Paul Stamets or even Paul Chuck if you don’t have time to clear the ceremony and to actually integrate what has occurred– By the way, I’m still integrating a ceremony from two years ago. I don’t feel called any other ceremonies or medicines. I have my breath as my ally.
What happens is if we’re not careful, and this might be what you’re talking about so tell me if I’m on the right path, when we experience some type of a key stressor that floods our system into essentially a panic mode, like you dying in a 5-MeO ceremony, that takes time to heal. It takes time to reintegrate back into society much like a war veteran would have PTSD from a bomb going off. We have to give our nervous system, our heart, our soul, and our mind most importantly time to recover from something like that because really what all of those elements of us are asking for is love and tenderness and softness and presence.
If we don’t give those parts of ourselves, those attributes that I talked about what happens is that we start operating even more from the mind and we can honestly have a neurosis come from it, a mild mental illness or an OCD with looping thoughts, things like that. That’s what happened to me, by the way, two years ago as I went to the wrong center down in Costa Rica. I’m not going to name the name, but you all know if you follow me who it is. I went to the wrong place and I took the wrong medicine at the wrong time, and it was beautiful because it healed me of something that I’ve been fighting for so long and it actually taught me how not to fight anymore.
Like you had said, before I was able to see the light of love within myself and able to connect with God, I had to go through the darkness within myself and that darkness, whoo. Oh, my God. [chuckles] Just like how you almost died and you’re like, “I had to watch myself basically choke and asphyxiate myself.” That was what I had to do, but it was on a way more mental level with different kinds of loops that weren’t so physiological. What I’m saying in a really long answer here is that if we go 30,000 foot above our subject which is our self, the subjective truth that we’re experiencing is not always the objective truth that either God or Spirit or even your higher self can recognize that’s occurring for you.
When you were going through what you’re going through, you must believe the only path towards enlightenment, the only path towards consciousness, the only path towards growth of any kind is that you will choose to believe that that happened for you and the trauma that you experienced will be something that you choose to love yourself to integrate through. That is a fraction of the population that either has the tools, the skills, or even the self-love to love and nurturing be tender to themselves after they’ve been through honestly a life-altering event.
This is why it’s it’s so powerful. If you look at Jordan Peterson’s work or– Tim Ferriss just put out a huge blog on this. He basically said, “Look, if you’re doing these medicines and there’s not the right integration set and setting you are actually going to cause yourself way more trauma than if you just didn’t do the medicine at all.” People are running to medicine– I’m not saying you and I are doing this, but people are running to the medicine, to the plants of any kind because they’re seeking the plant’s wisdom but the greatest thing that I can wrap up my answer with is this, be careful of unearned wisdom, be cautious and be careful of unearned wisdom.
If you have not created the breathing patterns within yourself, if you’ve not done the emotional intelligence work of taking the inventory of capital T and lowercase t trauma, and you run to a plant medicine ceremony, look the hell out. That’s a direct quote from Peterson himself, look the hell out because you’re opening yourself up to so many dimensions, so many entities. I actually took on an entity from that place in Costa Rica. It took me two years to heal, had to go see Paul Check himself at his house so that he could clear the entity from me.
Then I have Hamilton Southern on the podcast, and he’s telling me anytime someone has an entity, it is not their fault, it is 100% the shaman’s fault. When anything happens to a participant in a ceremony, it is not anyone’s fault, but the person that is holding that space. It’s not to demonize practitioners but we’re talking about a power of which we cannot even begin to understand and we are playing with this power as if we can earn this early wisdom when we haven’t done the deep integration work to hold it.
Ari: Yes, it’s a fascinating answer. In my case, there wasn’t any trauma for me, it was extremely terrifying in that moment and then it immediately after the surrender into suffocating, it immediately turned into an extraordinarily regulatory and blissful experience. That as soon as I came out of that, several hours later, there was multiple rounds of it. So it was about three hours in total. I was already in a beautiful place and just amazed.
It completely blew my mind that it’s possible for human consciousness to even experience something like that. It was a thousand orders of magnitude beyond what I thought was possible to even have an experience. There’s no way I could have even imagined in my wildest dreams what actually happened. It was a life-changing, really beautiful experience that actually took me out of years-long depression prior to that. Anyway, thank you for acknowledging me in this little [inaudible 00:32:36]
Josh: Can I say one more thing on that? It’s so beautiful what you’re describing, not everyone can have what you have learned. There was obviously some type of work that you’ve done, whether it’s around energy systems or cultivation from chi or even learning from the chakras behind me like how energy flows through the body, there was some training that you had done that prepared you to be able to receive the healing that you got. Not everyone’s prepared, I want to be very conscious about that.
Ari: [inaudible 00:33:05] meditation and breathwork prior to.
Josh: Yes. That’s something I wanted to share with your audience is be careful and be kind to yourself. Don’t run to the golden ticket without doing your integration work first.
Ari: I would almost have the general warning of almost no one should do that unless you were physically experienced and have done a lot of many years of work.
Josh: You know what else came up for me? I was interviewing Dave Asprey once and he talked about the umbilical cord being wrapped around his neck when he was a baby. He went to a therapist, a past life therapist, or some kind of an intelligent therapist. I’m not exactly sure what kind, but that was what came up for him and I want to point people towards Mark Wolynn’s work.
He’s been on the podcast a couple of times, he wrote, It Didn’t Start with You, Healing Generational Trauma. For your key attribute, it’s like, “Oh, my gosh, I feel like I need to focus on my breath.” For me, it’s like, “I’m not safe in the present moment.” We all have our stuff and so looking at not only the current moment for clues with emotional inventory but also looking at birth and birth trauma and looking at past life trauma. In other words, epigenetic expression of unhealed trauma from your grandfather, father, and et cetera. It’s complex, healing is complex because we as human beings are complex.
Ari: Yes. That’s interesting that you brought up the umbilical cord. It was the same thing for me that I had it wrapped around and I almost died in my birth process and they had to break my clavicle when I was– I’m not sure if it broke on its own or if they intentionally broke it, but I know that I guess I was born with a broken clavicle.
Josh: It may be a connection to exactly what you’re describing that because– I’m not a therapist in this way, so I’m not classified to give this guidance or information. I’m just thinking here with you, it may be connected to that where you felt you couldn’t breathe or you had to focus so much in your breathing. Think of a flower, you know in a flower first buds, it’s so sensitive. So if you come along and do anything to that rosebud, it alters its life forever.
This is why the year, zero through seven is where we learn all of our habits. It actually goes to the breath too, Ari. If you ever plug a baby’s nose, they’ll start choking. Why is that? If you plug a baby’s nose, why do they start choking? It’s because we all come into this world knowing how to breathe through our nose, we learn through capital T and lowercase t trauma to start breathing through our mouth, then we start becoming as Belisa Vranich calls vertical breathers, we start breathing through our shoulders and our scalenus and we lose the connection to our diaphragm.
You’ll notice that as I listen to you speak, I’ll close my mouth because I’ll remind myself to push my tongue to the roof and to breathe through my nose because it’s relaxing for me to do that but if I’m stressed, you might catch me with my mouth open, you might catch me breathing through my mouth. It’s a key indicator of a lot of different things that are connecting in our conversation.
Ari: Yes, Josh, let me ask you real quick. Are you doing okay on time? Do you have a hard time at all?
Josh: We’re good.
Ari: Okay. One other quick thing I’ll just mention to wrap up this digression and plant nonsense, and I’m super open to you saying anything more you want to say, but I want to wrap up my personal story. After that experience, my mind was so blown with what had happened to me and I benefited enormously from it. There was still a piece of me that drove me a little bit crazy that the experience caused so much intense fear for me.
My heart was beating out of my chest. I slept for I think 16 hours after that experience because I had the most crazy adrenaline dump ever to actually feel like you’re dying. It’s as stressful as it gets but it drove me crazy for months after that, that I was so scared by it and scared to do it again because I didn’t want to have to go through that. Because I was scared of it, I sought it out again because it just drove me crazy to be scared of something.
I did a second time, I think three or four months later. This time, I thought, “Oh, I’ve already dealt with the whole fear of death thing, I won’t go through that again.” Sure enough, I had to go through the whole thing again a second time and watch myself suffocate to death, it was not any easier. I thought for sure it would be easier, it was the same level of difficulty to watch the body and ego die. I was still driven, also a beautiful experience, but still driven a little crazy that I was fearful and I just felt feeling like I need to get to a point where I can do this experience without needing to die and be able to relax into this process.
On my third 5-MeO experience, that’s when I had this really incredible experience of this teaching around my breathing where it was like, why are you so restricted? Why are you so tense around your breathing? Why are you trying to force your breathing all the time? Breathing happens naturally, it happens autonomically, subconsciously and you don’t need to control it.
The message that was communicated to me was, you don’t need to force the breathing, let me breathe and which speaks to something that you said at the beginning of this podcast around Inspiritus and inspiration. That was the lesson that allowed me to let go of those years of struggling with tension around my breathing and just to let it happen naturally and to bring my neuroticism and attention and OCD out of it and just let the breath happen. Anyway, I just wanted to wrap up that–
Josh: What voice was telling you that it’s okay?
Ari: That’s a matter I guess of speculation we’re getting into, classic spiritual territory but the experience of 5-MeO feels like having a conversation with God and feel as having a conversation with some kind of higher intelligence where it certainly does not feel like this is your own brain talking to itself. It feels like communication with a higher intelligence and a direct tapping into some bigger truth than the normal thoughts that go on in the brain. When you’re in that state, it feels like okay, this is true, this is wisdom communicating to me.
Josh: Regardless of how anyone identifies whether you’re Christian or atheist or whatever it is, whenever you take a point
of reference in the universe or within our current experience, you are deciding that that is true and I think this is what people get wrong about spirituality. Honestly, I’ll even tie it back to the breath and we can tie it back to energy as well. Because when you’re going through your life, and you’re deciding things every day, Brendon Burchard, says, we make like 150 quality decisions every day, right? Well, who’s deciding those? You are, and you’re deciding them based on your lens of reference, which is an amalgam of all the experiences that have happened for you up to that point.
Now, all the decisions you make after your MEO ceremonies, they’re going to be different, they’re going to be fundamentally different for you because you’ve gained knowledge, you’ve gained awareness, you’ve gained understanding. What I’m saying here is we all go through the path of discernment of what’s true, and what’s not true, what thoughts to fixate on, or what thoughts to be at peace with and let go, the key thing is for us to not attach to what has occurred, because– I fall into this camp from my own learning as well, I’m self aware enough to know that on the path to mastery, I’m still somewhat in the middle.
I really am and I think most of us are that even help others to be totally enlightened. When Osho was on his deathbed, he said, “Yes, nobody can ever be totally enlightened. It’s all–” He said something like this, “There’s no such thing as total enlightenment because the ego is always present.”
What I’m getting at here is like, when we learn about ourselves, either how to breathe from a loving, trustworthy place or when we learn how to let go and let something else breathe us, we start tapping into an endless river of truth and awareness and energy that we can guide in our relationships, in our jobs, in our professions, in our careers, because the very thing that we’re looking for it straight up is the thing that’s looking for us, like St. Francis of Assisi.
I got this from the three hour segment we did with Paul Chek, which is the all his God series we did on wellness force, and the thing that just ripped my hair back as he was like, one of the earliest practitioners in religion said, “What’s looking for you is what’s looking.” Sorry, “What you’re looking for, is what’s looking back at you.” We are all a byproduct of this energetic source that creates all things and if it sounds woo-woo, or esoteric, to you, just ask yourself, who’s breathing you? Who’s digesting your food? Who’s beating your heart? Who’s doing all these things? Because you’re not.
Whether you believe in a higher power or not, you have to believe that you don’t understand why certain things are and there’s a current surrender to that, which really is kind of what we’re talking about.
How breathing keeps you connected to your body
Ari: Totally, yes and in that sense that the experience that I had around breathing was almost a disconnection from the source and from that realization that you’re referring to in what you just said there.
Josh: When we don’t breathe, we’re disconnected from our body, and when we’re disconnected from our body we’re a slave to our mind and that we can’t access anything spiritually. It’s a very linear connection that may not seem linear, but it is.
Ari: Yes, so let’s jump back into breath work. I know that you teach that there are three stages of breath work. Talk to me about what those are?
Josh: Well, we all have the acute stressors in life. Whether it’s a fight with your spouse, or I mean, I’m sure you never fight with your spouse but some of us do. We all go through these learning curves in life where we’re learning how to manage other people’s programs. One of my mentors and colleagues, Rachel Fiore, from the Masters of Self talks about mental, emotional, and behavioral programs.
Those programs were built for us to survive and so when I’m experiencing a fight with Carrie with my lady, and she’s experiencing my ego, there’s an integration and an understanding that to the degree that I’m not breathing, or I’m indulging and allowing myself to be triggered by this person, I’m going to run a program on them.
When I run my program on them, I’m going to completely disassociate from my body, I’m not going to be somatically experiencing love, I’m going to make them wrong, I’m going to blame them for whatever is happening and I’m going to be right, this is the biggest fallacy of the ego. What happens in that first stage of breath work, is this is acute stress management. Acute stress management is something that we all need to get better on truly.
I mean, whether you’re a speaker or a mom or dad or a CEO or entrepreneur, everybody has, I believe I’ve read in literature that speaking on stage is for some people the same feeling of dying, it’s right up there with the fear of death. Well, why is that? Why is that true and and how can we use the breath? This is a key point of talking. How can we use acute stress management, breathing techniques, so that we can transcend from whatever program is running? I’m not safe, I’m not enough, I’m stupid. Look how ugly I am, I’m fat, my face looks like this, my pants suck, fill in the blank, I mean, you can hit the floor with this list of things that comes up in people’s consciousness.
But the reason is that we are believing whatever the programs are, and we’re not breathing. If we can literally and this is one practice we can all do. If we can learn how to properly box breathe, we can have focused attention, when we have focused attention, especially when we do breath hold retentions. In the Indian arts, it’s called the pranayama breath, or Kumbhaka, which is breath hold techniques. When we go down that path of doing specific breathing techniques, which we talked about in the breathe program, and it’s also in the M21 guide that I would love to give to your audience, we can all learn how to do this in less than seven minutes.
And no, it’s not get seven minute abs, okay? It’s like, calm yourself down and be in your body and feel safe to manage whatever stress load is happening in seven minutes or less and I truly believe that, it’s not just some marketing gimmick. You can actually do it in about seven minutes. That’s the framework that I built. Then after that comes meditative breathing. This type of breath work is more proactive, it’s like washing your car, changing the oil, lubricating the gears, that’s what this does for us and I’ll tell you, anybody that has trouble sitting still and meditating, I promise you when you start integrating, especially when you start integrating the safe vape CBD that we use.
I developed this protocol called wellness CBD breathing where I use James Silver Dina’s company, and it’s called Bio CBD plus, and we use some CBD in the processes for meditative breathing, you will be amazed at what creativity and what self realization and what peace you can find within yourself when you give yourself about 20 to 21 minutes to do proper breath hold retentions with a mixture of either box or circular breathing. First phase is where you’re going through acute stress where you’re met with a stressor, it’s like how do you get over the stressor, whether it’s in the car on a stage or with your spouse.
The second stage is more meditation breathing and more proactive breath work. Then the third stage which most people get this wrong is they start at the third stage and that’s catharsis breathing. Catharsis breathing is like the Wim Hof, the long 60-90 minute journeys, but I actually don’t believe that people should start there, just like I don’t believe people should start with the MEO, the five MEO. But you had some good training, right? So I prepared you to do that. If you’ve never done breath work before, start with the acute stress management and practice that, feel the benefits of that. Or maybe you can self select and go, “I really don’t meditate because I can’t sit still.”
Well then start with the meditative breathing. Then if you are currently working with a skilled therapeutic practitioner, someone who’s medically skilled, someone who really knows what they’re doing, then go into the catharsis breathing and that’s the longer journey. Within those three lanes of breath work, that’s how I built the Breathe, Breath and Wellness program because I thought, “Okay, we need breath work that isn’t so esoteric, and we don’t have to wear a crystal around our neck and float on a mountain.” Everybody needs to learn how to breathe for stress, how to breathe for meditation, and how to breathe for healing and so that’s what we’ve integrated into the program.
What is the best breathing technique?
Ari: Excellent. There’s an interesting controversy that I’ve seen emerge around. Now I’ve had Patrick McKeown on my podcast and got this take he is in the Buteyko breathing type of stuff and he’s developed his own methodology around that. Then you have a lot of people discovering the Wim Hof’s breathing.
Yes, and there’s a little battle going on between them because you have Wim Hof’s kind of hyperventilation approach and then the Patrick McKeown approach really warns against the deep breathing and hyperventilation stuff. I would give my take on it, but I don’t want to digress too much. I want you to give your take on what you see as the disconnect here or which side you think is right or how both sides work.
Josh: Well, I think they’re all connected, it depends on the practitioners ego. I’ll just say that because we all either have an ego that’s not integrated or an ego that’s integrated. When I look at both of those gentlemen, I think they have fairly integrated egos. I really do, I get a trustworthiness from both of them. But I think the key differentiator between Wim Hof and McKeown is that Wim Hof seems to me like a psychonaut. He seems like someone that has gone to the foreign five D. He hikes up a mountain with no shirt, all right, whether it’s snowing outside. Okay, so that’s not for everyone. He seems to be more in the radical expression of the breath.
His wife, unfortunately, passed away. She had a mental condition, it drove him to the cold, it drove him to the breath. It’s funny, I’m just realizing this. The very same thing that drove me to the breath is the same thing that drives all of us to the breath. That especially drove Wim Hof to the breath and possibly McKeown, I don’t know his story. I’m sure people can listen to your podcast with him on that.
I think what drives all of us to the breath is, can we love and trust ourselves even when we’ve been through trauma, even when we’ve been through the works really, that life can give us. I don’t think that any approach is either right or wrong. I think that once we start understanding that there’s only three things. There’s an inhale and exhale, and a hold. Breathwork is not complicated. Honestly, if people learn in less than three weeks how to breathe, it’s a tool they can take for their whole life.
We have so many people have done the program. They’re like, “Oh, my God, why was I not taught this earlier?” I have a woman that messaged me on Instagram, she was like, “I can’t believe that no one ever taught me this because I can literally use this every single time I’m arguing with someone.” There’s an athletic mindset to breathing, which is like Stig and McKeown and even Nestor talks about this, too, where people really go deep on the science and the biology and the physiology and that’s cool. I respect that. I like that.
For me, my mission with my company, what I’m all about, is how is this going to help me discover physical and emotional intelligence so I can live my life well? That’s our manifesto. That’s our mantra. That’s in a way our unique selling proposition too. It’s like, I don’t have all the answers, but I will do everything in my power to articulate the truth of what I’ve learned.
I don’t think there’s a pro and a con to either one. It’s really honestly whatever teaching resonates with you. If you’re the kind of person that likes the academic literature, and you want to know the PubMed studies, or if you’re the kind of woo person where you’re like, actually just feel like crying today and I need to let go of something. How do I do that?
There’s tools for the right time for all people. It’s really about building our internal faculty of intuition to know which training we go to and which we don’t. I took, I believe Dr. Belisa Vranich’s training from the breathing class, I thought it was extremely powerful but she’s very focused on breathing mechanics and 360 breathing and things like this. In the Breathe, Breath, and Wellness program, we talk about using it to just turn down the default mode network. That’s really our main thing. We want to turn down the volume of our default mode network so that our amygdala or PFC in our posterior cingulate are working for us instead of against us. That’s the crux of what the program is built for.
Ari: Nice. What do you think of breath holding practices and do you think that one needs to do them on the hold on the out-breath or the in-breath? I know there’s some debate about this, it’s become popular and common for people to say, “No, no, no, it’s really important to do the hold on the out-breath.” I want to say from my personal experience, and I regularly play with both options, but I honestly feel that I do better work and get more benefit by doing breath holds on the inhale.
Josh: I knew you were going to say that because you’re an energy guy. [chuckles]
Ari: I haven’t really seen anybody talk about that but that’s my subjective experience and I’m curious if you have any thoughts on that.
Josh: I have so many thoughts on that we could do a whole podcast on that. What I know about the breath and our diaphragm is this. When we inhale, we are filling the balloon in our diaphragm. The diaphragm is a dome-shaped muscle that sits right below our solar plexus. When we inhale, we are pressing on the vagus nerve, when you physically push the back of the diaphragm on the vagus nerve, because it innervates down there, you are not only giving yourself a synergistic signal to relax, but you’re giving yourself a tactile response to relax.
When you pull energy in through your nose, and I always believe that that we should, whenever we’re doing breath-work of any kind, we always want to focus on breathing in through the nose. The reason is, is because there are spherical cores, and that treats the air so it pulls into our nasal cavity that goes down to our lungs, and it gives us the most proper airflow. When we breath in through our nose, we’re activating sympathetic. When we hold our breath, we’re pushing on the vagus nerve. When we’re able to sit with the hold on the inhale, we can use that vagal nerve toning, the vagus nerve toning as our ally.
The real training in my opinion, is not that that’s bad. I think that’s amazing but what we focus on on the breath program for Breathe, Breath, and Wellness is like we want you to hold on the exhale because whatever is stressing you out the most in your life, whether it’s your spouse or your job, or stuff from your emotional inventory. We want you to be at peace and train yourself to be at peace on the exhale, because the exhale is the one that stimulates the biggest fear response.
Just like we do cold therapy, I have a sauna in my garage and I have a cold tank in my garage. Whenever I go into the cold after the heat, I always do a big inhale through my nose, and then I go exhale through my mouth and I don’t do another inhale until I really really have to do it because I am training myself to not have the vagal tone.
Basically what you’re doing is you’re pulling energy up to your crown chakra when you breath in through your nose, it’s right there behind me. When you breathe in through your nose, you are activating, you’re opening your crown chakra so you have a deep awareness of what’s going on. I think for people that want more energy because you’re an energy man. Doing the breath-hold on the inhale is powerful. Talk about energy. Dan Burley, says that “When you do an inhale and you do the proper breathe-hold techniques, you can have 300% more oxygen to your brain for almost half an hour.
I think it’s really powerful from an energy standpoint, for focused attention for you to be able to do the hold on the inhale through your nose. I believe that doing a toning of having a lot of cycles of warrior breathing, or just a quick inhale and exhale through your mouth. A lot of people call it super oxygenation or hypoxia, whatever badge you want to put on it, doing 20 to 30 inhales and exhales through the mouth. Then practicing doing some box breathing. With a really firm focus on the inhale, a strong inhale, you can really start managing your stress, because what comes after that, what we teach in the program is can you do a 60, a 90, maybe even 122nd hold?
After you’ve done the warrior breathing, after you’ve done the box breath can you be at peace on the exhale when there’s no oxygen in your system, when your vagus nerve is not being pushed on and when you don’t have that surge of energy through your third eye? It’s the same training that we’re doing in the cold or that we’re doing with the Heat Shock proteins. It’s the exact same thing. I think there’s places for both.
I don’t think it’s an either-or I think it’s both, they’re both complimentary. I think that the inhale through the nose is where you’re pulling energy up, right? What’s coming up for you, is more energy when you practice. I like to do the throat lock, which is Jalandhara. You do the throat lock, you pull in your perenium, you pull in your abdomen, so it’s three locks. Then you just hold, it’s the same feeling that you would get if you were going to asphyxiate or if you were going to drown or something.
It’s in that moment that we can literally start to turn down the default mode network and go, “You know what, I’m safe.” I had a buddy over at the house, and we’re doing cold therapy. I was like, say out loud, “I’m safe.” It’s my buddy, Ronnie Landis, “Say out loud, I’m safe.” He’s like, “Whoa, this doing cold, so much easier when I say out loud in the cold tank. I’m safe. I’m safe. I’m good, I’m safe.” So there’s a lot of different tricks we can do.
Ari: Interesting. Yes, I think that’s a really nice insight into it. One of the things that I think is probably the reason that I like to do that, as I often do it while in the context of exercising, so I surf almost every morning. While I’m surfing, while I’m paddling while my heart rate is high. If I try and do a hold on the exhale, it often only I can only get like 10 seconds.
If I go hold on an inhale, I can often get like 30 paddles. The holds on the exhale just exhausts me faster. I feel like I just don’t get much time of the actual breath-hold. I think that may be part of why I have moved in that direction. If I do it that rest while in a sauna, or in a cold tub or something like that. Probably quite different. I get what you’re saying about training the brain basically to be relaxed in a very stressful state.
Josh: Yes, box breathing specifically the tactical breathing that Divine teaches and really, that most people teach is to do like five inhale, five hold, five exhale, five hold, or whatever it is, you can play around with it for yourself. But what they’re all trying to do is they’re trying to ground and center the brain and the body so that it’s not absorbing too much energy. When you start doing this circular breathing with no pauses it’s hard to get as grounded. Focus the tension that we talk about in the program is about square breathing, box breathing.
Then if you want more energy, more creativity, well, that’s when we integrate the CBD and the safe vape and the circular breathing. It’s an exciting world, man. It’s a really cool world. I feel very fortunate to have found it. It was right frickin under my nose the whole time. I’m really excited about it but again, it’s about creating an internal locus of control and saying, “Hey, I’m committed to training myself in three weeks, where I can actually use this breath is an ally. You’ll be surprised, man, what comes up for people. Self-Sabotage I can’t do this. I don’t have time to breathe. It’s like, okay, that’s your programs running.
Ari: My last question to you and thank you for going a bit overtime with me–
Josh: Oh, this is fun.
How to start your breathing exercise protocols
Ari: For me too. Talk to me about, you focus quite a bit in your teachings on going inward, rather than seeking arousal or seeking validation from the external world, and you have a suite of tools and strategies to do that, and they need to be done in a certain order. Tell people about that system that you have.
Josh: The system is, it has six parts and I built it into the M21 guide, which is something I’d love to give to your audience. It’s wellnessforce.com/m21. It’s totally free. There’s a breathing piece in there. These six pillars or these six activities, they’re really just something that’ll prime you to have energy throughout the day and so you can start getting a grip of what are the thoughts that I’m thinking, why do I act the way that I act and what are my results and how can I take radical ownership for my own results in life?
It really is as simple as that now look just because it’s simple does not mean it’s easy. Like going down the path of self-growth or self-introspection is going to be hard. Your essential question was what are these pillars or what are these pieces and really what I like to say to people is it’s about your beliefs, thoughts, feelings, and actions. There’s a, BTFA loop that comes together. Then there’s also your eating, moving, breathing, and sleeping.
We have the physical, we have the emotional and within the emotional, I believe that we are a product of our beliefs and thoughts. You don’t catch a feeling before you catch a thought. I heard a preacher say this on Facebook. I can’t claim that for my own dude. I forget his name, but anyways, he was like, “I didn’t catch a feeling.” He’s like, “I caught a thought and then I caught a feeling.” Guess what catches our thoughts? It’s our beliefs. Belief, thought, feeling, action, that’s, what’s really going on for all of us.
Getting clear on that, I gave you a journal process and the M21 to get clear on that. Then our breathing, moving, eating, and sleeping. Hydration in the morning, making your bed. You’re priming yourself for the day and really making sure that you’re already activating your reward circuitry. Then taking this time for you to actually do breathing on a stool or on a meditation cushion. I also believe in movement specifically to open the hips, it’s called a womb squat. I teach you how to do that in there.
All these things are baked in. I took 400 podcasts and I was like, “What is everyone doing?” If I could distill it down to the honey of what everyone’s doing, what’s the handful of things that they’re doing. I believe it’s these six practices and I tested it for three months and we’ve gotten great feedback from the audience and there’s some special breath work in there. Now, there is two things that aren’t in there that I’d like to share, and we direct people towards those. That is what is my connection to higher power and what is my commitment to personal growth when it comes to finances?
Money is a by-product of our lives. We all operate with money. We have to have loving energy, loving perspective about money. We also have to have a connection with God. Those are the eight branches of wellbeing, the ones that I mentioned before, and then the two extra are the relationship with money and also our connection to God or our spiritual quotient.
Ari: Beautiful. You talk about meditation, breathwork, and plant medicine, and these need to be done in a particular order.
Josh: Yes. This is outside of the M21 guide. If someone is called to a plant medicine ceremony, it is so important for you to get really clear on how you breathe first and how you sit still with yourself first. Whether it’s, I did a 10 day Vipassana and the desert, the order of operations is this. Get really crystal clear on knowing the way that you breathe and using your breath as an ally, then go and do a 10 day Vipassana, a weekend Vipassana, whatever it is. Do longer meditation sets.
Then if you still feel called, then go to the plant medicine, but do it in a way where you’re really vetting out the practitioner. You’re really taking your time. I would say, start with the lowest dose possible, straight up. Start with the lowest dose possible and go from there. I’m not advocating it. All I’m saying is use it as a tool because a hammer can kill you, but a hammer can build a house. Use that tool of plant medicine with the same respect and prepare yourself with that breathing acumen and the meditation acumen, and then go to the plant medicine.
Ari: Beautiful. Josh, I really, really enjoyed this. Thank you again, for the extra time. If you could leave people with one or two key takeaways that they should come away with from this podcast and there’s been, I think so many throughout this discussion but if you could distill it down to like one or two things that you really want to leave people with, what would those be? Number one pause and breathe.
Josh: Yes. That’s a big one. I just did that naturally because I really care about my answer. First of all, get clear on whatever is troubling you. That’s the first thing. Have compassion and courageousness for yourself and do an emotional inventory process. We put it in the M21 guide. Get clear on what’s really troubling you. Then from there cultivate the skills necessary to do the work of letting it go. I’ll be straight up with you. There’s three things actually. Cultivate the awareness on how to love your fears and love the things that cause you stress and supposedly harm you. That’s the big one.
Pause, use the skills to go inward, like your breath, like sitting in meditation but don’t just intellectualize that. Really go in and be, be mindful of what comes up for you and be mindful of whatever is showing itself. Maybe it’s memories from childhood. Maybe it’s a deep awareness of a change you have to make. Have the courage to make the change and to straight-up love yourself while you make the change. That’s, if anything, what somebody can get from this conversation is how can I fortify my own intelligence? How can I gather, how can I apply, and then how can I embody?
Ari: Beautiful. Josh, my new friend, thank you so much. This has really been a blast to have you on and to connect with you live in real-time. I was going to say in-person, but this is not in-person. As we were saying before we started this, in-person of 2021 is just to get on a live call with someone. Really a pleasure. I look forward to more conversations with you and then let people know again where they can get that M21 download it’s wellnessforce.com/m21?
Josh: Yes. Wellnessforce.com/m21, it’s 100% free. All the things in there is my gift to you. Now, the question is, are you doing it? Are you going to do it? It’s wellnessforce.com/m21.
Ari: Beautiful. Thank you so much, my friend, look forward to the next one.
Josh: Thanks. All right. Thanks for having me on, man.
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BREATHE – The Breath And Wellness Program (16:30)
How breathing keeps you connected to your body (45:56)
What is the best breathing technique? (51:47)
How to start your breathing exercise protocols (1:03:30)