In this episode, I am speaking with Barnet Meltzer, MD — a pioneer and expert with 50 years of experience in the realm of preventive medicine, integrated medicine, and clinical nutrition. Dr. Meltzer is also my childhood physician. We will talk about how health and self-immunization are critical components in protecting yourself against viral epidemics.
Table of Contents
n this podcast Dr. Meltzer will cover:
- The critical role of health and self-immunization in preventing disease
- Who is at the greatest risk for contracting viral infection?
- The best strategy to improve immunity
- Why you should be cautious about any potential vaccine coming out
- How to lower inflammation starting now
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Ari: Hey everyone, welcome back to The Energy Blueprint podcast. I’m your host, Ari Witten. Today, I have with me for the second time, my childhood physician and my family physician growing up for, geez, 30 plus years. I’ve been seeing this guy. I mean not very often recently, but now I take my kids to see him. He’s a pioneer and well-known expert in the field of preventive medicine, and integrative medicine, and clinical nutrition. He owns the distinction of being the first medical doctor to enter the field of preventive medicine in Southern California and is a board-certified physician and surgeon with over 30 years of clinical experience as a practicing primary care physician. Lots and lots more credentials I could tell you. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa from University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine which was the first Ivy League medical school. He is literally one of the first physicians in the United States to enter this field of preventive medicine. He’s completed his internship at UCLA and served two years in his surgical residency at University of California, San Diego. He’s widely recognized as one of the leading authorities in health, wellness and metabolic nutrition for decades now. He’s really, as I said, just a pioneer in this field of preventive medicine before it became well known. He reached out to me the other day with all this coronavirus stuff going on and said we should do a podcast with an important message that people need to hear amidst all this panic. I agreed with what he’s about to share with you. I thought this was a very important message to share as well, so I wanted to have him back on the show. Welcome again for podcast number two, Dr. Meltzer.
Dr. Meltzer: Ari, thanks so much. I’m happy to be here. Thanks for all that great introduction and everything. I am very proud and fond of you as well and looking forward to sharing some thoughts with your audience today.
Why health is the number one protective measure against viral infection
Ari: Let’s get right into it. I know you have limited time today. We have this epidemic of coronavirus. The whole world is in basically lockdown or what’s the proper term? Shelter in place that they’re calling it in the United States, more strict lockdown in a lot of other countries. There’s widespread fear and panic. A lot of people are getting sick. The numbers are rising exponentially every day. There’s some scary data coming out about this situation. There’s talk of a vaccine in place. Before we get into the practical aspect of it, what’s your take on the broad landscape of what’s going on right now?
Dr. Meltzer: Well, what’s going on right now is something that happens periodically every 10 to 20 years and probably will continue to happen as long as civilization exists, is that viruses sometimes come from different cultures, often from the Oriental culture, sometimes from other cultures. The point is that I think what’s happening is that it’s a call to understanding it. It’s a call to consciousness. What’s basically implied is that the virus is more powerful than the person which is what’s developing. See, what I need people to get out of this discussion here is that along your strategies to overcome the virus, the strategies are not just outside in, the strategy is also inside out. Self-empowerment ultimately and self-vaccination ultimately or vaccination, which I prefer self-vaccination, but some type of stimulation for antibody formation will be the only way to really end a viral outbreak. What I want to make [unintelligible] folks is two things. Number one, they have more power than they’re being told they have. They have more power because when they develop and cultivate their immune power, just like a country developing its military, your immune system is another word for your defense or your military or your ability to defend yourself against foreign invasion toxins, viruses, what have you. I need people to know that number one, it’s very scary out there. It’s fear of [unintelligible] almost. Let’s get to the facts. Number one, there is no virus stronger than a healthy, happy, strong, vibrant person. Period. That’s number one. Now, what people need to know is that they need to empower themselves with ways to boost their immune system on a regular basis, so when a crisis shows up, it’s not like you build a well when you find out there’s a drought. It’s important to cultivate. I use the word cultivate like you would develop a garden or develop a skill like play the piano or become a musician or something or a surgeon. Cultivate skills. We’ll go into some of these skills later, but the big picture is this, the solution is in your hands. Not in washing your hands. Let me make a distinction here. There’s a big distinction between the spread of the virus and immunity to the virus. Most public officials are working on the outside in. They’re trying to stop the spread of the virus. Now, let’s look at that. The virus is in 100 countries. Geez, that doesn’t seem like a really effective containment to me. I believe they have slowed down the velocity of the virus because just like when you’re sailing, you can’t stop the wind but you can trim your sails if you will, and adjust things, windbreakers, etc. I believe this is an airborne virus. I believe this is also a virus that can travel from people [unintelligible], meaning it can go from [unintelligible] situations or dense situations where a lot of infection is transferred from the [unintelligible]. I don’t think everything is super clear, but I can tell you this. If you’re six feet from somebody and the wind comes up– I was out at the beach the other morning and I was doing my swim which I had to get there before any officials were there. Let’s put it that way. I had a towel and it was so windy that [unintelligible] the beach about 50 feet to go get it. Well, the virus is one one hundred to one-two hundreds the size of a bacterium. If it was sitting on my towel, it probably went 5,000 feet, if you get my point. Let’s be real about this. Don’t be afraid of the virus. Don’t let people think that if they get out and catch the virus, it’s over. No, that’s not true. A virus is like a parasite. It’s like a bandit. It needs your RNA to live. When it’s outside of your body, it’s called a virion. When it gets into your body, it becomes viral, and it tries to attack your cell membranes and get through your cell membrane. First, it has to attach, then it has to penetrate your cell membranes, then infiltrate the inner nucleus, and then inflame the RNA. That’s how they test it. My point is this, by that time, a powerful immune system’s taken it out. Your body has T-cells and beta cells. Your T cells have cytotoxic powers. Your beta cells can produce antibodies. What I’m trying to explain is this, the strategy, it’s got to be both. You want to slow down the spread of the virus. I’m not opposed to that. I’m not opposed to that with a couple of caveats because I do think the health care facilities can be overloaded by an epidemic. However, the doctors who are public health, that’s it. They’re disease doctors. They’re public health doctors. They’re epidemiologists. I don’t think they’ve ever seen a patient. See, people come in different shapes and sizes. Some are high risk for illness, some are medium risk for illness. As a matter of fact, I tell my patients, “You have five choices, okay? You’ve got a medium risk for longterm illness, high risk, low risk, very high, very low. Those are your five choices. Medium risk, high, low, very high, very low. Well, depending on your risk, if it’s very low, you have essentially no risk to this virus. If it’s low, you might get a couple of sniffles. If it’s medium, you might get a cold or so. If it’s more higher, you might get the flu or bronchitis. Well, unless you have a chronic illness or chronic burnout, you’re not going to wind up in a very sick situation. All the people that so far I can see [unintelligible] that I’ve spoken to and communicated with that the morbidity, in other words, mortality are associated with comorbidities, diabetics, people with chronic lung disease, people with chronic heart disease, people who have lived a life of self-abuse or self-[unintelligible]. Remember, [unintelligible] is a choice in 2020. 1970, 1980 wasn’t a choice, now it’s a choice. I feel for those people and I certainly want to support them. My point is when you’re not well it’s self-induced, it’s not [unintelligible] anything else. When you overcome the virus it’s got to come from you. Now, you make contact with that virus, you have T-cells, you have beta cells. It’s just like if you were called up and someone said, “Hey, you’re the president. We have terrorists [unintelligible] border.” What would you do? You would mobilize your military and get to the border. Well, if the terrorists got through the border what does that say about your military? It’s about your military. You want to slow down the exposure to the virus. I can understand that for healthcare facilities. You can’t hide from the virus. You can’t, “Don’t touch me. Don’t shake my hand.” Sterilize everything. Saponify everything. Detergent everywhere. Spend millions of dollars, dah dah dah. The medical term for it is called herd immunity, H-E-R-D. In other words when everybody gets exposed and their body produces antibodies naturally because that’s what a vaccine is. [unintelligible] this, all a vaccine is an attenuated form of the virus to stimulate you to produce the antibodies that you can produce yourself. Now, where is the respect? Where’s the acknowledgment of individuality and self-respect? We don’t have a choice. Stay home and then we’ll get a vaccine. Where does the person come in here? That’s what I’m trying to explain. We’ve lost the human touch in our medical care. Now, people who have burnout and inflammation are the same. Let me explain. A virus is a predator. It looks for prey. That’s what it looks for. If you’ve ever watched the Discovery Channel, you see the lions are hanging out and then they see a herd of buffalo or wildebeest or zebras go by, and they pretend to attack. What happens? Well, the herd moves, but then the weak ones or the ones that have the bad legs stay behind. Well, guess who they go after? The virus is going to predatate on inflammatory tissue. What does that mean? Well, people that are stressed out, people that are burnt out, people that are tired, people that are overworked, people that are not happy, people that are distressed, people that are overweight, people eating inflammatory foods. I mean come on now. That’s where you get inflammation. You get first-degree burnout, second-degree, third-degree burnout meaning you have some risk based on your inflammation level. If you keep your inflammation level low, we’re going to produce herd immunity. The one that have some inflammation [unintelligible] burnout they’ll be the ones to pay attention to or acknowledge, they’ll get over it. The people who are really chronically ill need to be separated away. They are the ones that need to be quarantined to minimize what’s going on. See, if you and I are immune and everybody we party with is immune, it doesn’t matter. The paranoia the way it is right now, I don’t know, any sporting events or any kind of congregations or any kind of musical events or concerts or any kind of graduations or anything where people wouldn’t want to be near anybody because [unintelligible] if you catch the virus. You got to catch the virus and kick its butt.
What the statistics on the virus really tell us
Ari: I want to come back to that point. Now, there’s a lot in what you just said. A lot we could dig into further. I want to give some statistics on the risk factors for this virus. For having severe symptoms from this virus I should say. There was a meta-analysis just published a few days ago from 30 studies in China. I’m skeptical of a lot of the stuff coming out of China, but this is pretty much the best data we have right now. They found that people 50 years and older have 250% increased risk to get a severe case of COVID-19. Males just being the male gender, they have 1.3 times higher risk. Smoking increases the risk by one to two times. Preexisting conditions such as high blood pressure, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease increase the risk by two to three times. Very much in line with what you’re saying. Also, I’ll mention the data from Italy is that something like 98 or 99% of the deaths that they have had there are from people who have had at least one if not two or three comorbidities, pre-existing conditions. However, there’s one other thing that I’m seeing some of the doctor friends of mine are saying, some of the people on the front lines in New York, they’re saying basically, “Don’t get too cocky about being young and healthy, because we’re seeing young, healthy people in the ICU as well who have no pre-existing conditions, who are perfectly young and healthy.” What are your thoughts on that situation?
Dr. Meltzer: Let’s get something clear. Let’s forget about younger, old or 50, okay. There is a [unintelligible] in most human bodies until about 40. Most people can have self dysfunctional or self-defeating habits until 40 years or, [unintelligible] maybe in this current culture, maybe it’s 35 or 32 now. In my day, it was 40. Where you could pretty much do anything you want until 40 and if you drank, smoked, ate poorly, didn’t exercise, whatever, you could reverse it and still be okay because a warranty on the machine comes off about 40. Now, I believe that the risk for the virus is directly related to your level of inflammation. Now, let’s translate. People with chronic illness, what’s their level of inflammation?
Ari: Higher, obviously.
Dr. Meltzer: High. They have a chronic illness. See, most people can be highly inflamed and live in burnout. Most people live in burnout. Let’s distinguish. There’s wellness, there’s disease in the other corner [unintelligible] disease, wellness and then 85% burnout, ongoing fatigue, stress, weight gain, anxiety, restlessness, tension, the American lifestyle. It’s a burnt out lifestyle. You’ve got to be around for a while to get it. Takes about 40 years of exposing yourself to all the stress of relationships and finances and people and growth and what have you and dealing with the culture. When you’re young, it bounces off of you. What about young people that have asthma? What about young people that have chronic [unintelligible] leukemia? What about young people that don’t take care of themselves that are in burnout? I don’t think a person that’s strong and well can get this virus, it just doesn’t work. Now, maybe there is one situation in a million, okay. [inaudible] life has got its miracle moments. As a physician, as a success coach, as a doctor, you make choices based on probabilities not on possibilities, and overwhelming probability. See, they don’t acknowledge inflammatory food, they don’t acknowledge that most saturated fats, most animal foods, caffeine, alcohol, sugar, white foods, soft drinks, cokes, they don’t want to acknowledge that it’s inflammatory food, and they don’t want to measure people’s stress levels. They want to take a test for your antigen to see if you have coronavirus, but they’re not checking your serum happiness level. They’re not checking your serum stress level. They might check your weight, and then we know that people that have metabolic sluggishness are much higher risk. In my experience with the virus [inaudible], you have a lot of inflammation and you clog your lymphatic system, and you filter the clog and you don’t have a strong internal military directly with your T-cells and your beta cells, you can get infected. Again, unless you’re high, high risk, you’re going to get over it. You see what I’m saying?
Dr. Meltzer: We have a quiz on the Maketimeforwellness.com website. I want to encourage your listeners to check it out. The 20 question quiz on your risk of burnout or it gives you an idea how much inflammation there is in your life. Just check it out and make sure that you make some corrections to reduce your level of inflammation. The two main sources of inflammation are emotional stress and nutritional toxicity. If you can work on those two things, just improving your nutrition gradually and working on either becoming more mindful or do yoga or meditate or go more into your spiritual beliefs or whatever and just meditate and more peaceful, create more harmonious relationships with friends and loved ones and create more harmony. This is one of the backslides of the lockdown. A sedentary, overweight, inflammatory-eating, high-stress, anxiety, depressed culture doesn’t build a strong military. See, so they don’t want to deal with that. They don’t want to acknowledge you as a person. Everybody’s at the same risk. No, not everybody has the same risk. There might be some exceptions to any rule. You know as a doctor, you may have seen things that you could never expect. Sometimes it happens, but more than ever, people with diabetes have chronic inflammation. People with chronic heart disease have buildup chronic inflammation. People with [unintelligible] they have chronic inflammation. People with Parkinson’s or dementia have chronic inflammation. The virus is a predator, it preys on inflammation. If you have less inflammation in your body because you have less stress, manage life more effectively, you get a better balance. You don’t put nutritional toxins in your body that commercialize artificial foods that actually inundate the airway in between all this concern about the virus, all this concern about stopping the virus, then you can commercialize all the food that’s on the airways in between these– CNN and the Fox News, two-thirds of the food that they put out there is highly inflammatory. There’s such a contradiction but my point is you can empower yourself. You can build your immune system. I’ve been always saying in the clinic, a cold shower a day keeps the virus at bay. In the first hour of the day charge your battery. The immune system is a rechargeable battery. If your battery on your phone is 50% it still works. The battery on your body at 50% it’s fatigue. You’ve got to charge your battery every day, first hour of the day. Now, high doses of vitamin C or antivirals up to six to 10,000 milligrams a day. You want to protect yourself. The other thing you can do is you could take Astragalus, A-S-T-R-A-G-A-L-U-S. It’s in fact a Chinese antiviral or immune booster, but again, if you’re following a routine and exercising, meditating, being loving and purposeful, avoiding inflammatory foods, you have nothing to worry about. Now, what you have to be concerned about is you got to get out there and help people build up this immune system. In other words, it’s important that we have herd immunity.
Ari: I want to come back to that point in a second. I want to wrap up with that. This issue of containment versus herd immunity. There’s an important distinction there that I think a lot of people don’t get. I know this is a central message for what you want to communicate. I want to just go into one other side topic, which is the issue of hospital overwhelm. We’ve kind of accepted at this point, we’re beyond the point of containment. This is spreading whether we like it or not.
Dr. Meltzer: [unintelligible], yes.
Ari: The issue now is to flatten the curve, to decrease the rate of spreading such that we don’t overwhelm hospitals and have a huge death toll as a result of people not being able to get hospital treatment, be put on ventilators in the intensive care unit, etc. Interestingly, I’ve been digging in for the last couple of days to try to find data on survival rates of people with acute respiratory distress syndrome from COVID-19 who are put on ventilators. The data really does not look good at all. I was talking to a couple of doctor friends of mine as well about this data and they were really depressed to see this. I had been under the impression that like 10 to 15% of the population who gets this might need hospital care, be put on ventilators, etc, and then survive. Even though 10 to 15% of people are being hospitalized from severe symptoms only, let’s say about 1%, roughly by the best estimates, although that number shifting, 1% of people are dying, which assumes that hey, there’s 90 plus percent of these people who are being put on ventilators are surviving. The data that I’ve seen, and there’s a few studies on this, there’s some data out of China as well as some US data, but basically what it’s showing is that people who are put on mechanical ventilation over 90% of them are actually dying.
Dr. Meltzer: Okay, so the contradiction of the facts here, is that correct?
Ari: Yes, I guess kind of a contradiction, but what I’m saying is it’s unclear to me how big of an issue it is that if we can’t get people on ventilators by these estimates that I’m looking at right now, and I’ll link to this study below the show notes for this episode, 92 to 97% of people who are put on mechanical ventilation end up dying.
Dr. Meltzer: That’s probably closer to my observation, okay. The reason they say that is that you see, here’s the situation. As conventional doctors, now again, I’m a doctor, but I [unintelligible] prevention. The doctors are downstream taking the wounded bodies out of the river, the upstream doctors like myself are trying to keep the wounded bodies from getting in the river. The medical profession has a responsibility to take care of those that are ill. It also has a responsibility to educate the public on self-empowerment, how to be well, so that they’re not at high risk to these kinds of things. Now, what you’re describing is this, the virus, the one thing about the coronavirus, it has a high R0 [unintelligible] which means it can spread quickly. Once it gets past [unintelligible], once you go from– in fact, first you get a cold, then you have [unintelligible] respiratory tract infection, then you might have little bronchitis. Once it goes past cough and bronchitis goes into pneumonia, it can go quickly into respiratory failure. How many people are you going to save from respiratory failure? Well, probably less than you’re going to prevent getting into respiratory failure. That’s a different issue for another day, but again, if you want to help these people, you want to stop the overload, you can let the low-risk people out keep the high-risk people quarantined. The ones on prescription drugs [inaudible] who’ve had a chronic underdeveloped immune system by choice and partially by accepting the medical profession telling you. that drugs are going to heal you rather than teaching you how to empower yourself. Those people need to be quarantined. The rest of the [unintelligible] needs to come out, get back to work and live their life, and get back to living. Otherwise, the next time there’s a [unintelligible] game or a football game, we’re going to have to be tested for the virus and [unintelligible] everybody six feet. You guys think if you catch it– No. You have to be exposed to the virus, make contact with it, and overcome it for your own self-empowerment. Now, if you don’t have the best immune system, you probably would, 9 out of 10 possibility, you’ll still overcome it and you’ll have a cough [unintelligible 00:] flu. You know how many people we lose to the flu every year? Let’s put some real numbers. How many people did we lose to the flu last year in this country?
Ari: I believe it’s usually somewhere around 40,000, 60,000. Somewhere in there.
Dr. Meltzer: It’s a high rate. It’s an extremely high rate and some 35 million people get the flu. Two years ago, we had 59,000 deaths. It may be comparable in the long run, something like that. Again, what’s the message I want to get out there? It’s not in washing your hands, it’s in your hands and how you take care of your lifestyle, how you charge your battery, [inaudible] how you eat, your mind-body connection. Fear and stress aggravate your immune system. Fear and stress are inflammatory. Don’t be afraid of this thing. If your inflammation level’s too high, you figured it out from the quiz or whatever, then improve your exercise routine. Eat better. Pick one thing every day you can eat better at, one thing every day you eat less of. Make some adjustments. Trim the sails and let’s get back to living and not be afraid of anything, or afraid of our neighbors, or afraid of our loved ones, or afraid of people. We got to make [unintelligible] and move forward with strong immune systems, that we can cultivate at. [crosstalk]
How not to fear virus outbreaks and why it is important
Ari: To this point, I want to get back to this issue of containment and flattening the curve and actually resolving this situation. There’s a gap. There’s a distinction between those two things. I think a lot of people right now are basically quarantining themselves at home. They’re afraid of this thing. I see people walking in the streets. They get scared. Whenever they walk near somebody, they cover their mouth with their sweater. I think a lot of people are just thinking, “Hey, I’m just going to stay locked inside my house for as long as it takes for the medical establishment to develop a vaccine or a cure for this thing. Then once there is a cure, then I can come out and not live in fear all the time.” What do you think of that paradigm and what do you think is the real solution here?
Dr. Meltzer: The solution is you have to play to win and stop trying to play not to lose. The vaccine is 12 to 18 months away in best hands. It’ll only effective against the current coronavirus which will invariably mutate by the time the next vaccine’s out. You can’t count on the vaccine. The vaccine works by making your own antibodies. Count on yourself, self-vaccination. That’s the point. The only way you’re going to end this thing is that you and I and everybody else around us is immune to the virus and the virus has nowhere to go so it dies. I think the containment has to be continued because of the high risk of our sad state of our affairs, which is we’re a population of many chronically inflamed people. Based on that, we’d have to be careful because those people are at risk. Now, the people that are well are not at risk. They can go out. They’re okay. Let them get out there. They’ve already taken out the virus. They’re not shedding at this point. That’s another misnomer. They act like when you’re symptomatic, you’re shedding more virus. You probably shed more virus right before you actually become symptomatic, and you’re most contagious before you’re symptomatic. This idea of tracking you down when you’re symptomatic and then finding everybody in your neighborhood and your genealogy that you’ve touched base with, you’re playing not to lose. It’s a play to win. Empower the people. It’s in your hands. Wash your hands. I don’t object to washing your hands. Decrease the dose of exposure, I’m okay with that, but the future of your relationship with this coronavirus is not washing your hands, it’s in your hands. I think the general public, the low-risk people who are well-adjusted, healthy, exercise, eat well, feel good, energetic, young, whatever age, let them come out. Let’s quarantine the people who are high-risk until they’ve settled this [unintelligible] thing down. Then going forward, let’s make the healthcare professional a lot healthier, be accountable to be healthy, and make the health and welfare departments in general, surgeon generals become more aware of self-empowerment and not make up a vaccine which is going to do what your body can do naturally is your solution.
Is vaccination against this virus the way forward?
Ari: I mentioned this to you yesterday when we spoke on the phone. There was an interview that I saw of Paul Offit recently. He’s an author of medical textbooks on vaccines. He’s probably the most pro-vaccine person that you’ll ever meet. He owns a patent on vaccine. He makes money off vaccines. He actually said that if a coronavirus vaccine came out very rapidly, I think he said something even in the next year, he himself would not take it because, first of all, I think there’s animal studies on a coronavirus vaccine showing that actually it gave worse outcomes. Also, he mentioned specifically that there needs to be years worth of safety studies on vaccines before they’re released to the public. If the most staunch advocate of vaccines in the world is saying, “Hey, I don’t want to take this vaccine if it’s rushed out,” there should probably be some caution advice for the rest of us.
Dr. Meltzer: Okay, let’s wrap it up. Here’s the solution, the solution is either self vaccination or vaccination. Now, the second one is long to come by, and experts are saying it could be hazardous. The first one has no hazard. All it requires is taking better care of yourself. Taking the first hour a day to charge your battery, exercise your body and mind every day, avoid eating inflammatory foods and junk and things you don’t need to eat, get a purposeful balanced life going, share your love and service with others, and be strong and brave and let’s face the virus and kick its [unintelligible] butt. If we run away from this thing and afraid of friends and touch and, “Oh gee, I didn’t want to go out. [unintelligible] I’m going to give it to my uncle. ” No, no. You go out there and beat the virus and the virus has nowhere to go. If your uncle has illness he stays in. Don’t you stay in, [unintelligible], because what will happen is, not only will we not beat the virus the way they’re playing it now, we’ll slow down the transmission of it, like you say the spread, but slowing the spread doesn’t offer immunity. Immunity comes from self-guided antibodies, and the vaccine is going to try to do what you can do naturally so think about it. Self-vaccination is a solution, does that make sense?
Ari: Absolutely. Dr. Meltzer, thank you so much for coming on the show again. Really, really enjoyed this talk. I think, probably most importantly of all in this world that’s gripped with fear and panic right now, I think this message is one of optimism and hope and empowerment.
Dr. Meltzer: Exactly, I want folks to know that they can overcome the virus. They have the power. The government and the officials can do outside work, let them do their work, but the ultimate power to overcome the virus and achieve immunity is in your hands and your life choices. Go take my quiz on maketimeforwellness.com. The 20 questions, check out your level of inflammation and risk of burnout, and then get a look in the mirror and make some adjustments. Good luck, and however I can be of support let me know.
Ari: Beautiful. If somebody is interested in working with you directly, is there a good place for them to contact you?
Dr. Meltzer: On the website, Maketimeforwellness.com show you where to call and how to gets hold of us.
Ari: Okay, beautiful.
Dr. Meltzer: If somebody wants to have their immune system evaluated in an individual level, that’s what I do. It’s my work to help people build immune power, but see, I think we all as a nation have to build immune power, you don’t build a well when there’s a drought. The messages is going forward everybody’s got to pick it up, right?
Ari: Yes 100%. Dr. Meltzer, thank you so much for coming on the show again and hope to talk to you again very soon.
Dr. Meltzer: [crosstalk], thank you so much.
Why health is the number one protective measure against viral infection (17:09)
What the statistics on the virus really tell us (16:24)
How not to fear virus outbreaks and why it is important (39:34)
Is vaccination against this virus the way forward? (42:27)